Curse

runeseeker1 · Jan 20, 2008, 06:52 AM // 06:52

This is a new build I thought up of. It's an RA build, so take that into account when you judge it.

I always wondered why the blood line was so lacking in the damage department. I noticed Vampiric Spirit and I wondered if I could pair it with the high energy cost life stealing skills. Turns out it was too energy intensive on a Necro, so I ran it on an Elementalist. The damage is pretty good, and if you are careful with energy and don't spam frivolously, you should be fine. The survivability of this build is good despite the fact that it's a squishy in the frontline.

[skill]Vampiric Spirit[/skill][skill]Glyph of Lesser Energy[/skill][skill]Blood Drinker[/skill][skill]Angorodon's Gaze[/skill][skill]Vampiric Gaze[/skill][skill]Unholy Feast[/skill][skill]Blood Renewal[/skill][skill]Resurrection Signet[/skill]
Attributes are 12 Energy Storage and 12 Blood (add whatever runes you like)

Cast Vampiric Spirit and maintain Blood Renewal. Run in, cast Blood Drinker, Vampiric Gaze, Angorodon's Gaze, then Unholy Feast. Use Glyph of Lesser Energy, then cast Angorodon's Gaze, wait, then cast it again to bring your energy back up.
Maintain Blood Renewal and Vampiric Spirit at all times, but let Blood Renewal end if you badly need the heal. Beware of the sacrifice. Always make sure you are bleeding or suffering from a condition before casting Angorodon's Gaze.

Flame me or whatever, I don't care. And don't give me that bullcrap about Elementalists using mostly Necromancer skills. I've seen worse, and this build actually works.

Arkantos · Jan 20, 2008, 07:00 AM // 07:00

It seems you already know that your build is bad, so I guess I won't tell you why it is.

runeseeker1 · Jan 20, 2008, 07:11 AM // 07:11

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Originally Posted by Arkantos

It seems you already know that your build is bad, so I guess I won't tell you why it is.

I did not say it was bad. I said I was going to get flamed, because it's unorthodox. I knew the first flame would come from you, Mr. Cookie Cutter.

RhanoctJocosa · Jan 20, 2008, 07:17 AM // 07:17

Arky stop stealing my glory. Cookie Cutter builds > bad ones

Arkantos · Jan 20, 2008, 07:19 AM // 07:19

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Originally Posted by runeseeker1

I did not say it was bad. I said I was going to get flamed, because it's unorthodox. I knew the first flame would come from you, Mr. Cookie Cutter.

I'm sorry, I was under the impression that you knew it was going to get flamed because it was a bad build. I also fail to see why you're calling me mr.cookie cutter, because I don't run cookie cutter builds. I run builds that are good.

Also, I did not flame you, I said your build was bad, which is quite different. Next time you accuse someone of doing something, make sure they actually did it.

Terraban · Jan 20, 2008, 08:13 AM // 08:13

This thread makes kittens sad....

And for the flames that you want....

netniwk · Jan 20, 2008, 08:20 AM // 08:20

the problem(one of the many) with the build is that you need your necro in melee range to make it effective,casters will kite you and war/assa/dervs will own you.THe only way it may be effective is when the other team are four wammo's,and even they might outheal(lol) the pathetic dps.

runeseeker1 · Jan 20, 2008, 08:33 AM // 08:33

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Originally Posted by netniwk

the problem(one of the many) with the build is that you need your necro in melee range to make it effective,casters will kite you and war/assa/dervs will own you.THe only way it may be effective is when the other team are four wammo's,and even they might outheal(lol) the pathetic dps.

Just some numbers:
Vampiric Spirit steals 41 health
Vampiric Gaze steals 52 with 1 sec cast time
Angorodon's Gaze steals 63 with 1 sec cast time
Blood Drinker steals 56 with 2 sec cast time
Unholy Feast steals 54 from 3 foes in the area with 1 sec cast time
(All calculated at 12 Blood Magic)
Assuming I cast Vampiric Gaze, then Blood Drinker, then Angorodon's Gaze, then Unholy Feast on one target, I am stealing (52+41)+(56+41)+(63+41)+(54+41)=389 health in 5 seconds

Then i cast Vampiric and/or Angorodon's to finish them off. Do not assume that this build is pathetic without testing it. I have in RA (I designed it for RA) and it works. They won't own me, because I am stealing life, not just dealing damage. I also have Blood Renewal. If casters kite, I can still cast from far away. I mostly go for the melee, though. And besides, it's RA. You think that ele will kite? Maybe a monk, a mesmer, or rit, but not necro or ele.

BTW, this is an Elementalist forum, and I said that this was an ele (you could argue with the fact that I'm using mostly Necro skills, though).

Terraban · Jan 20, 2008, 08:37 AM // 08:37

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Originally Posted by runeseeker1

Just some numbers:
Vampiric Spirit steals 41 health
Vampiric Gaze steals 52 with 1 sec cast time
Angorodon's Gaze steals 63 with 1 sec cast time
Blood Drinker steals 56 with 2 sec cast time
Unholy Feast steals 54 from 3 foes in the area with 1 sec cast time
(All calculated at 12 Blood Magic)
Assuming I cast Vampiric Gaze, then Blood Drinker, then Angorodon's Gaze, then Unholy Feast on one target, I am stealing (52+41)+(56+41)+(63+41)+(54+41)=389 health in 5 seconds

You forgot to factor in the .75 second aftercast.
You also forgot to factor in how easy it will be for them to walk away from you in your 9-10 second spamfest.

Don't get me wrong, I am sure you own Gladiator's Defense + Riposte Warriors, but really dude, come on.

Amazing Stroopwafel · Jan 20, 2008, 09:16 AM // 09:16

vamp spirit is crap since nearby is REALY nearby and that's a very tiny area,
it would be better if it had the same range as ice spear (It would still be crap but better) but it doesn't so your build sucks

Squishy ftw · Jan 20, 2008, 09:30 AM // 09:30

I've seen a lot of awful stuff in RA but this sure is high on my list.

A ranger cripples you and you're useless.
They simply kite from you, and you're almost useless.
You run upto a *decent* warrior and he'll own your face badly.
You get outdpsed by even some of the worst warrior mending builds out there.
You're being a serious liability for your monk by being up front taking damage a caster shouldn't be taking.
Any decent sin wil 1..2..3..BOOM you.
You do nothing positive for your party, no utility at all. While an ele got some good skills available(wards, blind).
...

So yes..pretty bad..

Dr Strangelove · Jan 20, 2008, 09:31 AM // 09:31

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Originally Posted by runeseeker1

Turns out it was too energy intensive on a Necro, so I ran it on an Elementalist.

Energy storage is not energy management. If you can't handle the energy under a necro, pumping energy storage will only buy you a few seconds, not fix anything.

Second - people don't blood nuke for a reason. It doesn't do very much damage, and your build has zero utility. I think there's a thread about why this is a bad idea in the necro forum right now.

Third, you're a messy combination of an angodoron's gaze guy (semi-good) and a touch ranger (semi-good), but in the end you're worse at both.

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Originally Posted by runeseeker

I did not say it was bad. I said I was going to get flamed, because it's unorthodox. I knew the first flame would come from you, Mr. Cookie Cutter.

Just because you made a magical unique snowflake build that no one else uses does not mean it's good. In fact, it probably means that it's bad. Nobody else uses this for a very good reason.

Alex Morningstar · Jan 20, 2008, 09:43 AM // 09:43

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Originally Posted by runeseeker1

[skill]Vampiric Spirit[/skill][skill]Glyph of Lesser Energy[/skill][skill]Blood Drinker[/skill][skill]Angorodon's Gaze[/skill][skill]Vampiric Gaze[/skill][skill]Unholy Feast[/skill][skill]Blood Renewal[/skill][skill]Resurrection Signet[/skill]

[skill]Backfire[/skill][skill]Broad Head Arrow[/skill][skill]Power Block[/skill][skill]Savage Shot[/skill]

I hope you don't run into mesmers or rangers in RA.

RotteN · Jan 20, 2008, 09:57 AM // 09:57

just because you can list counters doesn't mean the build is bad ...

However, this build is bad for reasons mentioned above : simply because you have more energy, you're not solving any energy problems.

The bloodline is weak, live with it. Waisting your elite slot on a poor elite isn't going to change that.

Anything will "work" in RA, that doesn't make in a good build.

moko · Jan 20, 2008, 12:02 PM // 12:02

U All Cookie Cutta Noobs!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Go Back To Pvxwiki Lolz

Tyla · Jan 20, 2008, 02:22 PM // 14:22

It's a shame most of those skills are bad, like the blood line in general...
All that is good there is GoLE

EDIT: forgot to put res sig on my good list....im stupid >.>

Squishy ftw · Jan 20, 2008, 02:39 PM // 14:39

At least it has a [skill]resurrection signet[/skill]...

angmar_nite · Jan 20, 2008, 02:41 PM // 14:41

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Originally Posted by runeseeker1

I have in RA (I designed it for RA) and it works.

Yay!

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runeseeker1 · Jan 20, 2008, 05:02 PM // 17:02

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Originally Posted by Squishy ftw

I've seen a lot of awful stuff in RA but this sure is high on my list.

A ranger cripples you and you're useless.
They simply kite from you, and you're almost useless.
You run upto a *decent* warrior and he'll own your face badly.
You get outdpsed by even some of the worst warrior mending builds out there.
You're being a serious liability for your monk by being up front taking damage a caster shouldn't be taking.
Any decent sin wil 1..2..3..BOOM you.
You do nothing positive for your party, no utility at all. While an ele got some good skills available(wards, blind).
...

So yes..pretty bad..

You forget that this is RA, and that the opponent will not kite from me until i get him down to at least 1/4 health.
You also forget that this is lifestealing, and with a warrior, sin, or derv on me, I can survive fine, without a monk. You also forget that I am using Blood Renewal.
Most sins are narutards in RA so I'm not even going there.
I agree that I don't have utility, however, but judging from what I was trying to achieve, I'm not surprised there is none.

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Originally Posted by RotteN

just because you can list counters doesn't mean the build is bad ...

However, this build is bad for reasons mentioned above : simply because you have more energy, you're not solving any energy problems.

The bloodline is weak, live with it. Waisting your elite slot on a poor elite isn't going to change that.

Anything will "work" in RA, that doesn't make in a good build.

I put GoLE in their for a reason. If I use GoLE with Angorodon's Gaze (assuming I am bleeding from Blood Drinker and I have Vampiric Spirit on) that is 18 energy-16=2. I gain 12. I can do that twice, if I wait a few seconds.

I do agree, however... the bloodline is weak, but I wanted to try this out for the hell of it, and it worked... Seems that no one is willing to try this out, though.

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Originally Posted by Alex Morningstar

[skill]Backfire[/skill][skill]Broad Head Arrow[/skill][skill]Power Block[/skill][skill]Savage Shot[/skill]

I hope you don't run into mesmers or rangers in RA.

Rangers and Mesmers can counter mostly everything. I'm not going to pack a hex or condition removal just because I'm afraid of getting pwned by a ranger or mesmer. If I get Backfired, I kite. The Blood Renewal should keep me alive. Backfire's not constantly maintainable, and it doesn't last too long (~10 seconds). Mesmers don't run Power Block in RA. Never seen it. If they did though, I do agree that it would screw this build... and monks... and eles... and necros... and just about every build out there...

Savage Shot... meh. If it interrupts something of mine, I don't care. I have 3 other lifesteals. I can wait for the recharge. BHA is a pain, yes, but that's when I kite. If I'm lucky, I can dodge the next BHA and kill him instead.

Squishy ftw · Jan 20, 2008, 05:15 PM // 17:15

You shouldn't make a build to defeat the bad RA players, of course there are morons that don't kite until they got 100 health left. But you don't need a very good build to defeat those, now do you.

And again, a decent/good warrior will simply knocklock you for 6-9sec, and you will die. No doubt about it.

And your 'damage' is far from high enough not to bring any form of utility for the party.